what could be "an instruction not sound by a human standpoint"?.
i'm going by dissolving their legal entities...any guesses?.
I know a lot (majority) has never read the Bible cover to cover. Some pretend to have done so. Many people that do end up asking questions, too many questions and you are an apostate.
Also note that the WTBTS rewrite does reinforce a lot of the believes and even copies a lot of their “secret” language rather than proper English (or other translations). It is difficult to understand when the meanings of “world” or “lord” and “God” are twisted and swapped.
just finished season 1 on netflix.. holy crap, i had no idea of the history of the mormons!.
i always thought they were like the jws, or the quakers, but they were full on fascists committing massacres.. i'm sure they are hating having more people be aware of their past, but i gotta say, it is more event-filled than the jw history..
The origins of the Mormons and the Millerites (JW, SDA, Kellogg's Corn Flakes etc) are very closely tied together, they originated in the same area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burned-over_district which those religious ideas also streamed into the civil war (abolitionism) and the Oneida community (the movement that brought about utopian American communism/socialism).
These groups have had long standing disputes https://mit.irr.org/joseph-smith-william-miller-and-prophetic-speculation - I think a lot of the ACTUAL history is long dead and buried.
i tend to keep my personal beliefs separate from my posts.. i know that is often different from others as their posts as often one and the same with their opinions.
i think that is good.
you get to learn a lot about people that way.
The JW theology is definitely anti-Semitic, or at least it was when I was young. They kind of went away from the hardcore beliefs, but the early WT was definitely anti-Jewish (look up Rutherford’s Declaration of Facts or the Life book).
The old publications had sentences as late as 1946 that blamed Jews for the Holocaust (for rejecting Christ), that was later revised in the 1950s re-releases of Watchtower but still many JWs today believe this and other anti-Semitic tropes.
Even today, their website says that there is no scriptural support for political Zionism, but we are completely neutral on the subject (after saying it is against scripture). As with all the other double speak, there is a message there for JWs and for the world, and they’re different. There is another article on JW.org that basically says they are ‘the chosen people’ and thus “spiritually” JWs are the real Jews because they rejected Jesus. This is both an anti-Semitic trope and is similar to Black Hebrew movement that is an anti-Semitic group that claims black people are the real Jews and therefore modern Jews have no claims to either heritage or land. In modern times, JW don’t go quite that far in writing, but it seems implied.
i’m guiding a young person through some difficulties.
at least some of the family including a parent and grandparents are/were jw.
so there are some insecurities, without going into detail, young people are often worried that they may be ejected from the home after reaching a certain age if they offend their parents (totally normal feeling).. what i wanted to say is: a loving parent wouldn’t reject you because you did x, if anything they are expecting it, it is totally normal for you to do this.
@joe134cd: I think the older you get, the more bitter you are at all the wasted opportunities and at all the lives you damaged. When you are young you still get a chance at life. The earlier you get out the better, sadly not a choice that is easy to make. I've tried twice to leave 'everything' behind, and I did leave, but you cannot outrun your past.
I've seen many young adults and children end their life or killed, homeless or jailed because the result of JW policy leading to despair and substance abuse. I can't even count the number anymore, but I can tell you it is dozens that I am personally aware of.
I was a third generation JW, I remained "in" for a bit too long to be blameless, but I have high hopes it ends with me. If you are reading this and you are not sure whether to stay or go - leave now before you regret it - you can live without parents, you can live without family, without congregation.
If you are still active, do you really want to push people into this direction? When I was 14 I was so happy I had a 'study' with another youngster, child of a mom who wanted to be baptized. The JW pulled that family apart, the dad was not the greatest person, but despite that, they were a family. My family studied with the mom, I with the kid, she kicked his dad out for not continuing to get baptized, I pushed the kid to have his mom destroy his Metallica, AC/DC and Death Metal collection (it had skulls and pentagrams), the kid committed suicide soon after. Do you believe children of suicide would get resurrected? I was going to make it through Armageddon, because I had a study, I did my best, people that commit suicide are not worthy of our grief. His name was Thomas, we called him Thomas the Unbeliever afterwards (translation of Thomas the Doubter from my native language). I went on the stage at the assembly and told everyone about the success I had with my study, getting him to destroy his collection of Satanic music. That is who we are as JW. Despicable.
The world (in every sense of the word) is a wonderful place, people are good. You may think you are guilty when you leave other adults behind, but that is their choice, you will not be able to live with the guilt once you find your child is damaged, hurt or lost.
what could be "an instruction not sound by a human standpoint"?.
i'm going by dissolving their legal entities...any guesses?.
Hmm lets see:
let your children die over blood transfusions
kidnap children from their parent(s) when they become disfellowshipped or apostate
commit parental and adoptive fraud to keep children away from unbelieving parents
hide child abuse from authorities
mothers must die with their babies in case of ectopic pregnancy over getting a d&c
Those are all instructions I know people have received from elders, CO and branch offices, whether direct or implied. Those things alone are unnatural and heinous, many of them are crimes with long punishments because they are not related to free choices like adults can make.
i’m guiding a young person through some difficulties.
at least some of the family including a parent and grandparents are/were jw.
so there are some insecurities, without going into detail, young people are often worried that they may be ejected from the home after reaching a certain age if they offend their parents (totally normal feeling).. what i wanted to say is: a loving parent wouldn’t reject you because you did x, if anything they are expecting it, it is totally normal for you to do this.
I’m guiding a young person through some difficulties. At least some of the family including a parent and grandparents are/were JW. So there are some insecurities, without going into detail, young people are often worried that they may be ejected from the home after reaching a certain age if they offend their parents (totally normal feeling).
What I wanted to say is: a loving parent wouldn’t reject you because you did x, if anything they are expecting it, it is totally normal for you to do this. And this isn’t a religious issue, obviously there is a background of and has been influenced by but not an uncommon issue even for “worldly” people.
And then I had to delete that response because even if they aren’t completely active but they want to stay in the good graces of either family or congregation, then no, that does not apply, especially if they find out it is related to people like me that are critical of the JW.
And that is almost exclusive to the JW cult. And it makes me sad that this person also realized it despite rarely having been to a meeting, even parental love is completely conditional. And it makes me angry that so too I was raised and few people understand that feeling of rejection from the people that are supposed to be there for you.
2025-01-15-ages for ministerial servants and elders.. see page 2. .
https://pdfupload.io/docs/1b0b5c00 .
https://imgbox.com/p3a9yjmr.
Get em young. I don’t know any “mature” 18 year old, and I work with hundreds of them. Hell, 21 year old and I don’t know if I would’ve considered myself elder material.
this could fun.
what song should be played when you walk into a room that best describes you?
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hope everyone near to the region affected in california is ok. it's shocking to hear of the destruction.
these affected areas are some of the places i visited when i came on a tour of the us.
malibu, santa barbera, la, santa monica, hollywood and so on..
@Riley: The budget was not cut though. They spent it on having gay fire chiefs that were so fat, they admitted they were not fit to carry someone out of a burning house, and if that were the case then people had put themselves in that situation.
Perhaps you should look into it, massive reservoirs intended to provide water for houses had been drained in the ocean for no proven ecological benefit and in those areas homeowners were sued and fined for trimming trees by the state to appease a few treehugger associations. There hadn't been controlled burns in 3 years because global warming, Newsom even prevented Trump from providing federal water resources for the state when he was still in office.
This could've been prevented by cutting taxes and regulation and letting people and communities deal with their own tree and forest management instead of having it held up, in some places, since Newsom got into office.
i know back in the day, that was taught, that if the parents were going to be destroyed, so would the children.
i just can't easily find reference to anything.
this thinking has been used to justify some egregious behavior towards children and their parents such as exclusion of children from jw family - why worry, the end is near, all will work itself out then - the end didn't come though.
So they’re getting closer to the Christian message of salvation is for everyone.
